Which do you choose? The three main muzzle attachments serve three different purposes and basically do as their name suggests. Here we compare all three, in detail, to inform you and help you make decisions in-game. This reduction in recoil increases weapon accuracy making it easier to spray the enemy with fully automatic assault rifles and sub-machine guns. How To Cook and use Grenades Properly. This means you will be harder for the enemies to spot when you are firing — the muzzle flash is easy to see at long distances.
The flash hider also slightly reduces weapon recoil as well. The suppressor reduces the sound a weapon makes when being fired. I would expect that there are those who are going to tell me that there are comps that do that but my experience is that even the very best come comp does not do for my weapon what the suppressor does in that regard. Maybe the best solution is to take your come and suppressor to the match.
Check out the stages and then attach fo rthe match the equipment that is going to best serve you at that match. Discussing this stuff with Barry is incredible, but don't go bringing logic, measureable data, and actual real world engineering and design experience into the discussion, that would be crazy talk. Being relatively new to the rifle arena, discussions like this as opposed to the arguments found elsewhere are quite interesting and informative.
The place I have the best access to distance has an issue with noise, so a traditional compensator is not the first choice for my AR when I am a guest there. As a result, I've been testing a Levang Linear Compensator. While not designed as a noise suppressor, it does have a small expansion chamber and all the exaust gasses are directed forward which helps direct some of the noise forward as well.
But the downside is that there is somewhat more rearward recoil and muzzle flip than with a standard compensator. I'm taking both to my regular range this week and do some comparisons. Also, as much as I would like to try out a true suppressor on this rifle, I'm not inclined to go through the kind of expense and hassle needed to buy one and I expect that many people reading this are in the same boat.
Never-the-less, it's interesting to know just what the real differences are. It also makes me wonder if we will not start to see some crossbreeds showing up as interest increases. BTW, I have not seen any mention of the effect of a suppressor on accuracy and muzzle velocity. I would expect that to play a significant role in the comparison. A suppressor increases muzzle velocity. Generally I have read claims that it increase accuracy but my thought is that the suppressor would not improve the accuracy of a less accurate firearm.
I own several suppressors from several different manufacturers. I own several accurate rifles, both bolt and gas. No suppressor on any of those rifles offer a velocity increase.
No suppressor on any of those rifles offer an accuracy change. A lot of people think they get additional MV from a can because in their mind they are adding length to the bbl that will allow gas to push on the bullet longer and make it shoot faster. Well, the fact is, the gas is going to take the path of LEAST resistance which sends it around the bullet into the suppressor baffles.
Accuracy can change for the better or worse by adding a suppressor. When you screw a can on the end of the barrel you're adding weight. That weight can change bbl harmonics. If you have a load properly tuned to your rifle, adding a suppressor will not increase or decrease the accuracy.
Now if one of you guys could talk Barry into making a suppressor that actually does a good job at suppressing sound, he might make a suppressor that better reduces recoil. SureFire stuff typically comes in near the bottom in terms of sound suppression. Though they do offer minimal weight, minimal POI change, and a quick detach system, they do so while sacrificing sound suppression. Care to point out the bold stuff above? Tod mentioned some numbers from a suppressor manufacturer about their specific suppressor and muzzle brake, so I got that little piece of data.
Where's the real world engineering and design experience and what has that got to do with the discussion at hand? You talking about Barry's because he not a part of this thread. I have a friend that makes suppressors, and we experiment and change things to make them better at what they are designed to do, and we have been successful at it.
Doesn't that give me real world engineering and design experience? Are you also trying to say that a suppressor increases recoil? I mean Barry Dueck has already said that just isn't true and provided measureable data, and actual real world engineering and design experience. So what is it, you going to believe him or not? Looks like everyone needs to step back and look at their arguments a bit. It seems you guys are arguing two different theories. One set arguing that compensators are more effective than suppressors and another arguing that suppressors are more effective than nothing.
A proper compensator on a rifle will, normally, be the most effective solution to reducing recoil. Some of that changes depending on the size of the gun the can is on. The comped JP rifle I've got doesn't move. My duty gun doesn't move much with the SureFire can on it.
Accuracy has been about a push for me. Some have seen an increase, some normally cheap cans a decrease and some it really doesn't matter. As far as velocity. Depends on the gun and your load. I've got some cans, that with some ammo will increase velocity. Some it stays the same.
A lot has to do with how much barrel you have leading up to the can and how your load is developed. If the projectile uses up the gas in the available barrel, you won't see any increase. If your projectile is still speeding up, the additional pressure in the can add a few feet per second.
My duty rifle Same with a suppressed Glock 17 that I have. My longer barreled applications don't show much a of a change at all. And for those that have never shot one, my G has significantly more recoil suppressed than unsuppressed.
That's because it has a recoil booster so it will work though, not because of the can. Oops, and to the OP. Please leave the cans at home.
They are no advantage at 3-Gun and a royal pain in the butt for the scorekeeper. I can rarely pick up the last shot on any of my supressed guns.
They're slower to handle on field courses because of the extra weight as well. Also having shot both good and poor supressors and good and poor comps Comps definately work better at reducing recoil, but supressors are pretty close.
The one MAJOR issue many of you have missed is heat and gas fouling of the suppressor which is totally non-existant with a comp. Cold shots on both are pretty darn close and there is no perceivable change with a comp. The trapped heat and gas are not immediately expelled from a supressor and with rapid fire, the recoil compensation effectiveness is reduced with successive firing. In addition, the heat soak creates some nasty mirage off of a suppressor if enough rounds have been fired, not so with a compensator.
Yeah I hear ya. I only posted a small portion of the discussion as I knew how it would drive the discussion. There is alot to what we discussed. And as I suspected Barry really doesn't know what he is talking about. I pretty much realize that Barry is lucky to have the job he has seeing as how there is so much greater design and engineering knowledge out there. I do not disagree with anything Todd posted. But what I see with a comp is barrel movement. Not much but some.
With my can I see none at all and on long range targets this is more important to me than a small increase in recoil to the rear. All the sarcasm is fine and dandy Tod, but you do realize you said you thought a suppressor "doubled recoil". I think Chuck brought up a good point, are we even talking about the same thing? Suppressed vs. A muzzle brake has slots or holes cut into the sides of the device in a manner that forces the gases to move in such a way that it helps to reduce felt recoil.
With a properly designed muzzle brake attached to the barrel, it disperses the gasses in a way that pushes them in the opposite direction a bit to help minimize recoil as much as it possibly can. When you move into a rifle or larger, like AR platforms and definitely rifles chambered in.
Why do I say it like that? I also want to say, here, that because the muzzle brake forces gasses out the side, the muzzle blast can be atrocious.
You may not even notice it, but people shooting in the lane next to you at the range may, so keep that in mind.
These are muzzle devices that are designed to do more than one job. For example, if you remember the A2 Birdcage is a flash suppressor and a compensator. Its slots are cut in a fashion to help breakup the flash, but are also only on the top-half of the device, causing it to compensate for muzzle rise, as well.
Furthermore, many muzzle brakes are also compensators by design. You may be tempted to just go out and buy yourself a muzzle device. This is a great all around buy , if you need it. And, it looks great:. As with when you purchased your rifle, your optic, etc. Here are a couple pointers to help you on your way:. Not all muzzle devices are of high quality, nor may you need a specific one for your current setup.
Then again, if you have some physical ailment preventing you from effective marksmanship, throw a brake on it. Nothing I say here should be construed to be advice, legal or otherwise, and always consult people who know more than I do about laws in your state. Also, other states may have laws regarding muzzle devices, and you should always know the laws in your state.
Josh is a lifelong practitioner and student of the gun. After high school, he joined the Marines where his love for firearms blossomed as he qualified with an M16A2, an M9, and a G. Josh has been writing about firearms and tactics for several years, is a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, and believes that each individual person has the right to self-defense by any means necessary.
Currently residing in gun-friendly North Carolina, he carries a concealed gun on a daily basis, even in his own house. A matter of rights. I have a strong desire to protect my loved ones by any means necessary. The firearms we have and use today are not assault weapons. The guns we enjoy today under our current freedoms are nothing more than modern sporting rifles that look scary to some ill-informed folks, but are less lethal and can only shoot one bullet per trigger pull, unlike the ones the military uses.
And, so called assault weapons have been heavily regulated under the national firearms act and are nearly impossible to get unless you are very wealthy and willing to jump through the necessary hoops.
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